ASUCI Senate Minutes
Thursday, March 05, 2015

 

ASUCI Legislative Council Minutes

March 5th, 2015


  • Called to Order by EVP Sanaa Khan at 5:08PM

    • PRESENT: rico, phan, tsai, arkules,  hong, sidney, louie, guevara, fatahi, deleon, Khan, delshadi, nguyen

  • Attendance

    • Salazar came in late at 5:09PM

    • Barnoy came in late at 5:27PM

    • Arkules left early at 6:16PM

  • Approval of Minutes

    • Motion: Hong / Second: Carlson

  • Approval of Agenda

    • Motion: Carlson / Second: Hong

  • Guest List:

    • Mark Deppe (ASUCI)

    • Stephanie Van Ginkel (ASUCI)

    • Aaron Echols (ASUCI)

    • Parshan Khosravi (ASUCI EVP)

    • Haruka Hatori (ASUCI EVP)

    • Taylor Chanes (ASUCI EVP)

    • Caroline Nguyen (UCI Member of Public)

    • Phuc Pham (New University)

  • Public Comment

    • Mark Deppe: Lisa came to talk about Housing last week, and Brice for Financial Aid. We are working on inviting Dr Parham and Ami Glazer from Academic Senate

  • Old Business

    • R50-54

      • Pull to Floor - Phan/Tsai

      • Open Discussion for 10 minutes - Phan/Tsai

      • Hong: would like to change SWANA back to MENA

      • Sidney: should take things like this seriously, especially identity matters, but appreciate the comments said about MENA and SWANA. want to point out that SWANA is a known term, despite what others may think.

      • Delshadi: SWANA seems more accurate than MENA personally

      • Point of Parliamentary Procedure: Author amended resolution --Phan

      • Call to Question - Sidney/Carlson

      • B50-54 fails by 2-3-6

      • Khosravi: earlier critique was about terminology, and this legislation now was meant to focus on the issue of identity--is disappointed

    • R50-69

      • Pull to Floor - Phan/Delshadi

      • Open Discussion for 15 minutes - Phan/Delshadi

      • Delshadi?: remove presidential veto amendment

      • Phan: accept amendment

      • Delshadi: council is better suited in EVP because EVP more experienced for the nature of council’s duties

      • Phan: but chair should be impartial in voting process, even with IVP chairing the EVP can still write legislations and participate in discussion

      • Delshadi: only other concern that IVP is involved in many other roles. workload could impede effectiveness of the position

      • Phan: it is the constitutional responsibility of all executives to come to council meeting, chairing the meeting would not add anything

      • Hong:can we talk about cabinet-level veto?

      • Khan: already made amendment, would be to override any piece of legislation with a â…— vote of exec cabinet, not one person

      • Phan: last chance to make revisions on Constitution

      • Aaron Echols: how many voting members are there on council?

      • Phan: 18

      • Call to Question - Delshadi/Tsai

      • B50-69 passes 12-0-0

  • New Business

    • R50-70

      • Pull to Floor - Tsai/Phan

      • Motion to Open discussion 15 min Phan/Tsai

      • Guevara: students didn’t feel comfortable with a flag hanging in the wall, which is why I wrote it

      • Sidney: agree with resolution, with either dual or multicitizenship and the flag’s presence made them feel highly uncomfortable. what we are doing is basically saying the flag is not ideal for an inclusive space

      • Hong: think this legislation is made with the best intentions in mind, but freedom of speech cannot deny the freedom of speech to others. cannot support such a legislation

      • Phan: concern with this legislation is that “symbols” is up to interpretation. if we are saying that no symbols can be posted in the main lobby space, does that mean nothing can be posted - since it is up to personal interpretation as to what a symbol can be

      • Phan motion to strike “all symbols are not to be posted in AS lobby”

        • author accepts

      • Rico: concern brought up by both international students and dreamers, and an anonymous note left behind was also freedom of speech. IF we were to keep flag, it would make it an exclusive space to certain students I work with

      • Arkules: jeopardizes 1st amendment

      • Nguyen: taking down the flag is also denying freedom of speech

      • Fatahi: agree with alvin about symbols, but also agree with Guevara that the american flag does not lead to inclusive space

      • Khosravi: remind people that it is just the main lobby

      • Hong: my response to concerns, is that freedom of speech allows for all of that. when it gets put into action you walk a fine line of denying people their rights

      • Sidney: American university but we are not built on american soil. not trying to reiterate that flags are bad but that it should not be in such a public space

      • Guevara: american institution but should not be a factor.

      • Echols: could get lost in the fray if passed, because there is no operating manual for ASUCI. there is another legislation about flags in council space.

      • Phan: motion to strike “no materials other than as material may be posted in lobby room”

        • author accepts

      • Barnoy: if flag is offensive to students on campus, why is this inclusive of only the lobby

      • guevara: AS tries to be inclusive . people should respect others’ voices

      • Sidney: we are not doing it for other places because we are addressing a specific incident. the resolution written before applies only to Leg Council.

      • Khosravi: executive officers can decide what they see fit for their offices but the lobby space needs to have that inclusivity

      • Barnoy: are we setting a precedent that we’re changing our space any time someone is offended or is this specific to the flag?

      • Hong: We don’t need american memorabilia everywhere but we pursue the same ideals that this country does.

      • Tsai: we are an american institution but our priority is to our constituents. Legislation shouldn’t mandate people to take down flags but that we as ASUCI strive to be inclusive.

      • Nguyen: Are we going to ban language inside the ASUCI space as well?

      • Sidney: if students feel uncomfortable then we should try everything to accommodate them. It’s not what we personally think, we vote for thousands of students.

      • Arkules: We are offending a group of people by removing the flag. Maybe we can ask people to openly display a flag they want.

      • Salazar: Its the idea of what the american flag represents.

      • Guevara: slippery slope argument should be dealt with when it is brought up,

      • Phan: asuci constitution does not allow us to infringe on US constitutional rights, I see this as a direct violation from the ASUCI Constitution where it reads, “the enumeration of certain rights herein shall not inhibit those rights guaranteed students by the Constitution of the USA”. this legislation would inhibit the freedom of speech and expression guaranteed by the Constitution. additionally, to play devil’s advocate - the flag means a lot of different things to a lot of different people. it could be construed as offensive to the veterans of our armed forces if we passed this legislation prohibiting the flag in the AS lobby.

      • Echols: did someone take down the flag?

      • Khan: flag taken down and folded with a note, then put up, taken down and put on a chair, then put up, taken down again

      • Khosravi: please motion to end, should have discussion like this all the time

      • Deleon: what defines considerable request for us to consider this?

      • Phan: as rules chair, from a rules standpoint I don’t see this legislation going into effect because it violates our governing documents

      • Tsai: how far are we going to take this? we take it as far as we can, which is to urge others to be inclusive but we should not mandate this

      • Hong: it will offend people if we take down the flag

      • Haruka: mental health is being affected by the presence of this flag, and thus the claim to constitutional rights does not apply

      • B50-70 PASSES by 6-4-2

    • R50-71

      • Pull to Floor - Tsai/Phan

      • Motion to Open discussion 10 min Phan/Tsai

      • Motion to Call to Question--Phan/Delshadi

  • Special Committee Reports

    • International Student Committee, Guevara: met yesterday and will work with grad students on grad world next quarter, and established to have guiding for next quarter


  • Next Meeting: March 10th, 2015

  • Phan: I’d like to entertain a motion to adjourn

  • Fatahi Motion Adjourn Meeting at 6:40PM

    • Barnoy Second