ASUCI Senate Minutes
ASUCI Senate Minutes
Tuesday, January 24th, 2017
§ Chair Passed to Trinh
§ Reading of legislation R52-38 by Natoolo
§ Chair passed to Natoolo
§ Orozco: Motion to call R52-38 into question/ Second: Jacoby
§ R52-38 Passes 7-0-0, Yea: Lu, Jacoby, Abdelrahman, Castillejos, Trinh, Bender, and Orozco.
§ Reading of legislation R52-36 by Castillejos
§ Natoolo: I think it is important to know that our administration is in support of this. We can bring this into discussion.
§ Jacoby: Motion to bring into discussion for 10 minutes/ Second: Orozco.
§ Castillejos: Motion to amend ‘President-elect Donald Trump’ to ‘President Donald Trump’, and to capitalize all ASUCI ‘Senate’ and ‘Committee,’ and change ‘in November’ to ‘on November,’ and ‘Thomas A Parham’ to Thomas A. Parham’ / Second: Jacoby.
§ Lu: In regards to safe space, a safe space might label the students and make them vulnerable.
§ Castillejos: The name may be discussed later. Because there is different opinions regarding the names.
§ Orozco: This is a suggestion, say one of these chancellors goes back, there could be a follow up for this to be brought up.
§ Lu: I meant it more in the context that the conversation I had showed that they may be more vulnerable and because they are identifying as that individual and it puts them in that space.
§ Castillejos: I think it’s worse when they do not have that space. I’d rather think they can have this space that can help them rather than worrying about them being vulnerable.
§ Lu: I agree that a space could be created, but we can think about precautions for what can possibly happen.
§ Catillejos: I think having these resources is a better step for making it safe for undocumented students.
§ Bender: The way the legislation is written at the bottom, if the professor would have an ICE agent or a Border patrol agent, is this rejecting their presence as a speaker to help with students that might want to go into that field after graduating?
§ Castillejos: That is a good question.
§ Orozco: Move to extend time by 5 minutes/ Second: Trinh
§ Orozco: Are there specific classes that are targeting ICE and border patrol?
§ Bender: Yes, a specific list can be made.
§ Castillejos: The worry is that the undocumented would be unprotected if they are brought to campus. For example when they were brought to the career fair, the undocumented students felt like they could not attend the career fair.
§ Trinh: Motion to call R52-36 into question/ Sec: Abdelrahman
§ R52-36 Passes 6-0-1, Yea: Lu, Jacoby, Castillejos, Abdelrahman, Trinh, Orozco; Nay: none; Abstention: Bender.
§ Passing out the ruling
§ Lee: I don’t know if you all remember but Kimo Gandall was a senate intern last fall quarter, during the election he wanted to run for to be a senator but he couldn’t because he is an extension student and not an undergraduate student. He wants clarification on extension students, because they are mentioned in the ASUCI constitution that they can be in ASUCI and where does he fall for senate?
§ Lee: As an extension student there is no established way for them to pay the ASUCI fee because it’s taken out of the tuition automatically, and in our current structure you have to be an undergraduate student to vote and not an ASUCI member and that is listed in our constitution.
§ Lee: Basically it states you have to be an undergraduate to vote and not an ASUCI member, and if extension student were to run for a seat there is no specific seat for them and they would be taking representation away from a UCI student. So we confirm with what the elections commission decided, that he cannot run in this current election.
§ Lee: We have a suggestion that instead of running for senate he can be an ex officio member. Because in our constitution it allows for this. You can work this out with the school of extensions.
§ Shantharaj: The petition was named under unjust inclusion. It was because of vagueness and ambiguity. So judicial board believes that this vagueness is true.
§ Lee: ASUCI senate can pass something that would allow for extension students to run. This action is up to the constitution and up to the student body, we would then have to pass it through the student body again. This is a big issue because it will set precedents for the future.
§ Lee: This is a suggestion and ultimately up to the senate. Technically he would not be a member of ASUCI, but he would represent the extension students.
§ Orozco: Non ASUCI members can be ex officios?
§ Lee: If approved by senate. Not just anyone. Ultimately, it’s up to the senate. I’ve spoken to the writers of the constitution and it’s intend that extension students have the rights of others students, but what does this say? If we only ensure their basic rights? So it could be a way to bridge that gap if they can be made as an ex officio. This your decision and the extension school decisions.
§ Orozco: Thanks for clarifying.
§ Natoolo: Thank you for explaining. I think it is important that we are inclusive and representing the entire student body. Maybe we should amend the constitution.
§ Lee: I agree, but we also need to consider how long this new constitution took to be passed, ten years.
§ Lu: Do we know what percentage of students are extension students?
§ Lee: I’m not sure. Some of them take one class or are in one program. In the case of the plaintiff he is part of a program where he takes undergraduate classes. They can use these credits to apply to UCI or another school.
§ Natoolo: If it took ten years to amend the last constitution I want to know the most effective way to move this forward.
§ Lee: As we stand, extension students cannot run. And you can change this, but it has to be deliberated. Fees and other logistics that need to be worked out.
§ Trinh: Motion to extend time by 5 minutes/ Second: Orozco
§ Lee: we need to ensure that everyone has a voice in ASUCI. Currently this will stand that if any changes need to be made to the constitution that will be done by all of you. There may be clarifications made to clarify things. Like clarifying the difference between extension students and undergraduates.
§ Bender: If there was an established system for the fee payment would the ruling be different?
§ Shantharaj: It’s up to the senate if you want to hold ex officio who are not undergraduates to take part in ASUCI. This is up to senate.
§ Lee: The constitution doesn’t allow for this now. We don’t know who they would represent and even if they did pay a fee.
§ Natoolo: Maybe we can have Mr. Gandall’s testimony on why this is so important. We can use his words possibly because he did a great job as a senate intern last quarter.
§ Trinh: I lend my speaker time to Kimo Gandall.
§ Gandall: Clarifying extension programs. The reason the program was created was to give access to universities to people nearby it. One of my problems was that universities create large amounts of gentrification to those areas they are in. Specifically in my case, while I was rejected from Berkley, I wanted to take these classes because my family is ill and it makes sense for me to take these classes to become a paralegal and then go to law school.
§ Trinh: Motion to extend time by 5 minutes/ Second: Orozco.
§ Gandall: For me it’s partially convenience, but also its because I know the system. It gives me advantages through the program. Also extensions students are an effective and important part of the population. Not everyone needs a college degree. It gives them access to university training and education. A lot of the extension courses offer classes on how to run programs or become an accountant. They teach many pragmatic things. The link to ASUCI it that even students that have those degrees, they don’t have ability to access social networks, then the degree is not helpful. They may not be able to access the job market or labor market. Pragmatically speaking that is a reason to represent extension students and give them involvement opportunities in ASUCI.
§ Lee: Have you worked with other extension students to creates some type of government?
§ Gandall: We need to clarify training vs access students. You would never know the access student was not an undergraduate even in the system unless you checked to see if they paid their ASUCI. It will just show up as an undergraduate who is undeclared. I have not talked to the professional staff there, only other students.
§ Orozco: Maybe some type of AGS can be made like the graduate student one?
§ Gandall: There is no way to prove the diff between the access and training students. I don’t know how/ I don’t think ASUCI has the authority to do this.
§ Trinh: Motion to extend time by 5 minutes/ Second: Abdelrahman
§ Shantharaj: Why do you think senate should purse an amendment to include extension students in ASUCI?
§ Gandall: You have students with pragmatic skills that may be helpful to ASUCI. Like the law students and paralegal students who learn to write legislation and other techniques. They make great free labor. They are trained to do this.
§ Lee: How about representation?
§ Gandall: Similar to undeclared. I do almost anything similar to them. I could technically get housing. One other thing, it is technically a misnomer that you can’t get a degree through extension, you can get a degree through extension, you just have to ask.
§ Lee: One thing I want to leave you all with is that you hold a really great power. Just think about what you do and how it will affect the future. When will this happen again, but at the same time, what does it mean for our undergraduate students and our representation. Think this through and discuss it at meetings.