ASUCI Senate Minutes
Thursday, November 16, 2017

ASUCI Senate Minutes

Date 11/16/17


  • Called to Order by Tin Hong at 5:04pm

  • Attendance

    • Person came in late at

      • Chin 5:09pm

      • Santiago 5:15pm

    • Person left early at

      • Felix leaves at 6:10pm

  • Approval of Minutes

    • Motion: Safady

    • Second: Felix

  • Approval of Agenda

    • Motion: Kaur

    • Second: Felix

  • Public Comment

    • Person (Organization/Department): Comment

      • Speaking about R53-39

        • I will be pointing out some points from the legislation I would like to talk about today

        • Whereas, we want to encourage racism at the expense of the human beings who serve us at our local “pigs in a blanket, fry’em like bacon” department, and….”

        • “Let it further be resolved that only white people can be racist…”

          • This legislation is very provocative and very wrong in every way.

      • Jasmine and Kayla

        • This legislation is anti of student government. As black students and as you guys being members of ascui you guys have the power to remove this legislation which is a mockery

        • This legislation is a poor way to show how ASUCI represents us as students. Black people are constantly amended on campus and for you to make this legislation is just wrong. We justify our own humanity in order to be able to let our voices be heard.

      • Anonymous

        • “Whereas, many of us would have nothing to do if racism wasn’t an issue on campus because then we’d have to gain new knowledge, think, learn, and actually get to know people by the content of our character and not the color of our skin, as MLK so eloquently stated, and;”

        • You are white so obviously it doesn't affect you

        • Why are you not taking the time to gain this knowledge

      • 4th year School of social ecology

        • Disgusted by the fact that you guys could allow this to be written. I think it is very stupid that people have the actual time to write a legislation like this. We will be following up with impeachment processes. The amount of ignorance that is displayed here is unbelievable.

      • Anonymous

        • “Whereas, anyone whose ideas challenge my views is racist, homophobic, xenophobic, coulrophobic, nomophobic, sophophobic, coprophobic, omphalophobic bigots that no one cares about so they should shut up already.”

          • We are the public people and our voices are supposed to be heard. You guys are our representatives that are supposed to be representing us and doing things for us. This isn’t right and everyone is going to have consequences.

      • Hong

        • I will make sure it doesn't happen again

        • This legislation is not a representation of our members of ASUCI

  • Executive Officer Reports

    • President:

      • We stand as a collective ASUCI student body against the actions of Senators Melissa Safady and Brian Felix in authoring and co- authoring, respectively, resolution R53-39 : Outing White Supremacists in the Local PD. The resolution does not embody the entire voice of ASUCI. ASUCI senators can bring up any issues that affect students on campus as a discussion, but writing a satirical legislation is a mock to the entire process and the work that is done in Senate. ASUCI has a job that is to support student success, wellness,and complete inclusivity. We believe that the language that was used in R53-39 does not deliver a message of supporting student success and wellness nor promote inclusivity in any way, shape or form.

In an attempt to be satirical, the aftermath of this legislation will forever be engrained in Student Government and the rest of our campus here at the University of California, Irvine. We would like to formally say that this action was inherently anti-Black; that it reflects on how black bodies are seen as disposable time and time again. We acknowledge that this legislation is detrimental to both Black and non-Black students of color. The most important part of being in a position of power is recognizing the most vulnerable students on our campus and giving them the space to advocate for themselves. If we are not representing these students especially when they are threatened and harassed with violence, we are not doing our jobs properly.

We, the ASUCI Executives feel that it is unethical and immoral to undermine the struggles that students face.

This legislation fails to address the fact that all black people face anti-Black racism, and insteads undermines the suffering and lack of equity that Black and non-Black students of color at UCI face daily. If you would like to learn more about anti-Blackness, we have some of the best professors here at UC Irvine that address the issue clearly and in-depth in the African American Studies Department. We encourage everyone to make an effort to learn more about the struggles of their fellow Anteaters. ASUCI stands with the notions expressed in the UCSA Letter on Academic Freedom and Hate Speech. Our Anteater family is composed of students from different walks of life, faith, race, gender, religious affiliations, and political beliefs that we believe; as Student leaders we should be mindful of our actions and this involves being watchful of what we say and do. We want to emphasize that our Anteater family was affected by this resolution.

We collectively stand against hate, and we are not in support of Resolution R53-39 because it is counterproductive to the beliefs of the  Associated Students of University of California, Irvine.”

  • Special Committee Reports

    • International Committee: NONE

    • Parking Committee: NONE

    • First Generation and Non-Traditional Student Committee: NONE

    • Transfer Student Committee: NONE

  • Old Business

    • Office of the Internal Vice President Budget Reports: Brittany Nguyen

      • Advertising publicly

        • IVP Office t-shirts

      • Programing costs

        • Anteaters in action commission

          • Alexs lemonade stand foundation Donation -$815.5

        • Sustainability Project commission

          • Training and social

          • Supplies

        • Student Life and Advocacy Commission

          • Expenses from student health services

        • Recruitment and Retention commission

          • Commission t-shirts

      • Garden commission (NONE)

      • Food security commision - $308.60

        • Hunger homelessness Awareness Week T-shirts

      • Transportation commission (None)

    • Office of the President Budget Reports: Lydia

      • Campus Climate (NONE)

      • Media and Communication (NONE)

      • Mental health

      • Housing security

      • Research Mobilization

        • have $1,000 budget

        • might come back and need money for the account

    • Office of the Academic Affairs Vice President Budget Reports: Leila

      • nothing on budget reports yet

    • R53-36

      • Comments/Questions

      • Kevin (state-wide)

        • Wants to highlight something from the legislation

        • WHEREAS, the 12 members of the Government Relations committee for UCSA voted in support of the ironically titled “Title IX Protection Act” on November 5th, 2017...”

          • What our job is to do is protect rights of all students

          • It's not necessarily a rightful act to let this legislation move forward.

      • Gurneel

        • Where in this legislation do you mention for those who are sexually assaulted?

          • Melissa:

            • Its a very big burden. the school got reimbursed for title 9. The police department get the money and get to use it how they want. I have also provided a link for the burn act as a reference. We know as UC students money is more important to them than us

        • People who are assaulted and who never got to spoke where is confirmation and allocation?

          • Melissa:

            • There was a mother who killed herself after her son had false accusation for rape.

        • Did she do it on our campus?

          • Melissa:

            • No not on this campus.

      • Gurneel

        • Rape is wrong and we shouldn’t lose civil rights just being UC students

      • Melissa Safady:

        • Rape is not a civil right it is a human right.

      • Erikat:

        • People are not speaking out about sexual assault for the money. It's because they felt violated. When people who have committed sexual assault are walking around campus then that is an unsafe environment. But for students who want to speak out about it or don't feel safe talking about it that is unfair to them. It's not easy to approve that sexual assault was committed.

          • Melissa:

            • I looked at police departments, and my concern is that there are more cases just so the school can get more money. for both women and men there have been wrong allegations. If it were anyone of your family i'm sure you would want more evidence. I feel like the way they have potential to target people who can't defend themselves.

      • Motion to extend time by 5 minutes

        • Motion: Lim

        • Second: Felix

      • Bea:

        • So they get reimbursed for all cases?

          • Melissa: For Title 9 they do.

      • Bea:

        • For them to come out and say it is very hard I know people, and for them to say it. The reimbursement will help for more proper investigation. I'm on both sides but the reimbursement will help in the process.

      • Jess:

        • This extremely discourages students for coming out. The whole time people were thinking I don't want to ruin their life. It takes a lot for them to go out and report it. It ruins their mental health. There are so many unreported cases because they don't want to get the other person in trouble. Their lives are impacted. This just discourages students from coming out. We shouldn't put anymore pressure on them to be more afraid to reporting it.

      • Gurneel:

        • There have been some rape cases where the person’s have come out and their rape cases still have not been solved, it's been decades.  We cannot protect people who rape when we can't even protect people who have been raped.

      • Motion to extend time by 5 minutes(5:56pm)

        • Motion: Lim

        • Second: Felix

      • Gurneel

        • What if it was a black person what about those cases?

          • Melissa: I know there is no right or wrong, everyone is going to get hurt. For me I know about rape and what survivors can do is tell their confronter “you did this to me” and at least they stood up for themselves. They can at least say that they were able to stand up to themselves.

          • And I'm am sorry I don't have an answer to your privilege question.

      • Lydia:

        • In the media a kid would deny it. Some girls you don't even know their names on campus who have been hurt. This is the only opportunity for so many girls to be successful. Statistics show women drop out of school for not talking about it. This is the only platform for women to stand up. I am looking at the students in this audience and this is the biggest we have had it.

      • Motion to extend time till the end of the speakers list(6:02pm)

        • Motion: Lim

        • Second: Felix

      • Lim: Asking about Gurneel's  question about women of color

        • Gurneel:

          • We all have our unique experiences, in my eyes. Most women of color choose not to talk about this. I have seen it in my community and in my own household. Brown women can't come out because of the fear of what could possibly happen to them if they spoke out.

      • Public Comment

        • About the Burn Act. Government provides grant. They provide money that states can use it however they want, they could go out and arrest more people, yeah they can if they wanted. This isn't an annual grant they are going to provide. There's a difference in what's going on in the Burn Act and what's going on in Title 9.


    • Motion to extend time for Soma to speak(6:02pm)

      • Motion: Lim

      • Second: Felix

    • Soma:

      • A lot has to do about money but its people’s lives or money at the end of the day.

    • Motion to call the question R53-34

      • Motion: Lim

      • Second: Felix

        • FAILS 1-17-1

  • New Business

    • R53-39

      • Object and resolve R53-39

      • In favor of withdrawing R53-59

        • FAILS unanimously

      • Discussion

        • Asad:

          • (reading a facebook post Melissa had written):

            • “Yes I did write this legislation. I want this to be brought to discussion on the floor in Senate. There is no dialogue in student government, only groupthink. This includes UCSA. My legislation is an attempt at playing the Devil’s Advocate role to combat groupthink. And yes, I do want this to get your attention. I’m surprised that there isn't more outrage at the racism that stems from and is enabled by student government. And it’s this side who stood up in the ASUCI presidential debate last year and ironically called Carl Olson a racist. No more gaslighting. intentional or unintentional. No more promoting racism and prejudice. No more Munchausen's syndrome by proxy.”

        • Usher:

          • Whenever there is an issue there is no story or discussion

            • Melissa:

              • People are not having conversations anymore. I just want there to be a discussion. We are not talking and there is so much anger and hostility. There is no dialogue. I have encountered so much prejudice on this campus.

          • You are making a joke out of ASUCI. We are trying to represent ASUCI. This is making the biggest joke of us.

        • Lim:

          • I would like to say I see why this is shutdown. I think that these types of conversations need to be heard and not shut down. I want to understand where you are coming from Melissa. People aren't giving you the opportunity to tell us. I want to know why you would make a legislation like this.

            • Melissa:

              • *Comment interrupted*

        • Nasir:

          • In the seat you are occupying you are representing students here and of UCI. I feel like you are are using your position to undermine their narratives. You do have the right to express yourself but you shouldn't use your position to do that.

          • You are undermining the rights of people of color and those who have been sexually assaulted. You feeling attacked from those little things, well imagine how people of color feel everyday, there is evidence of them getting attacked.

        • Motion to extend time by 15 minutes

          • Motion: Lim

          • Second: Safady

        • Jess:

          • As an ASUCI senator you may think this is just representing UCI students. This environment is not the same as anywhere around the world. We need to leave an impact on students here and now so that when they go to a different state or environment they will be prepared. You might disagree because you are white but we need to educate people now because once people graduate they will go to different places and it's not going to be the same for them like it is here.

        • Henry:

          • You wrote this as a joke. What do you want to get out of this? You are just dividing us more and more. Those racisms comments hurt. This legislation is all racism.

        • Celine:

          • This legislation makes a mockery. This is a direct attack.We can't take back the people we have hurt.

        • Melissa:

          • All your points are right. This legislation to me is what our  student government is doing right now. I am tired of us being hurt.

        • Public comment:

          • This is happening because you decided to cause this!

        • Tin:

          • I think I have taught you all wrong. The power of a Senator is not about your own views. It is only fine if you do wrong trying to help people. I don't support DACA but I wrote the hell out of it because it was the right thing to do, and I did it for those who needed it. You write things that your constituents wants. If they come to you with an issue you are going to try your hardest. When writing a legislation you aren't supposed to write joke. This is has been taken too far.

        • Public Comment:

          • How do we impeach a senator?

            • Not fulfilling requirements of a senate.

        • Henry:

          • Why did you write this without talking to constituents?

            • Melissa:

              • It was exactly what I felt..

        • Gurneel:

          • People of color get hurt. 29 people robbed my dad’s store and when the police came they thought he was one of the robbers. I cannot understand even your own personal views. The entirety of this, this is about white domination. I am appalled. The fact that you contacted no one when writing this legislation isn’t right.

        • Motion to extend time by 10 minutes

          • Motion: Lim

          • Second: Safady

        • Lydia:

          • To paint black officers white. God blessed them with their skin color. We are here because we are making the time to help the students of UCI. I hear the people everyday in my office even after 5pm. We all have classes and jobs to go to. Your actions have consequences. And actions are going to be taken as soon as possible.

        • Public comment:

          • I don't know where to stop. I want to know who the hell do you think you are to be saying this. My own grandparents were killed by the racist white agenda. Couple months ago I was in mission viejo in white neighborhood, a police officer cuffed me and pushed me against the wall. He said you shouldn't be here go home. I asked him why is it because of the color of my skin? And he didn’t respond and he the said you shouldn’t be here go home.

          • People want to be heard and you have to hear them!

        • Melissa:

          • That was not about her

            • (when she mentioned --- “Let it further be resolved that if this legislation passes, the office of the EVP will host makeup tutorials, workshops on how to be white…..”)

          • The stuff that is going on in student government is racist

            • What is a racist?

              • Melissa: Treating people different.

        • Public comment:

          • You are writing about “you feel.” It's not about you!

      • Motion to take this to question

        • Motion: Hong

        • Second: Ton


  • Council Intern Program Report

    • NONE

  • Committees

    • Motion to overrule Committee breakouts

      • Motion: Wan

      • Second: Lim

    • Rules

      • NONE

    • Finance

      • NONE

    • Public Information

      • NONE

    • Advocacy

      • NONE

  • Immediate Business NONE

  • School Breakouts

    • NONE

  • Final Business

    • NONE

  • Announcements

    • Hong: Applications to apply for my spot are open

  • Next Meeting: <11/21/17>

  • Motion Adjourn Meeting at <6:59pm>

    • Second: Wan